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. >> they blasted the debt proposal and vowed unless republicans give in on the tax rates, president obama let the nation fall off the fiscal cliff. >> republicans need to acknowledge reality here. rates have to go up. earlier in the presidency, obama warneded it could hurt the economy. >> the nation is no longer in recession. and american manufacturing contracted in november for the first time in three months. the president is concerned enough that he proposed tens of billions in new stimulus spending in the debt talks. >> what is the justification for raising taxes? >> the fact of the matter is that it's vitally important that we extent and the president's view make permanent tax cuts for 98% of the american people. >> the president would like to see it done tomorrow and would sign it right away. >> they will put for ending deduction and closing loopholes. >> republicans move a great deal. who was the first person after the election was the speaker who went down and provided the re-knew. >> they blasted the proposal to limit deductions to tell bloomberg television it's unrealistic. >> that m
. and get this, president obama is winning this argument. remember the anti-tax pledge? 44 republicans had distanced themselves from it. today conservative columnist david brooks says, republicans have to realize they're going to have to cave on tax rates. and conservative writer byron york writes, quote, republicans will cave. part of the reason for the shift is the president is staying strong on this issue. he did just -- he did that to just now and won an election. also, americans are saying clearly who they blame if the two sides don't reach a deal before the end of the year. take a look at this. a new poll shows republicans will take the blame if a deal isn't reached and we go over the fiscal cliff. 53% say it's on republicans. half that, 27%, will blame the president. this is progress. this is change. if president obama can break republicans on tax increases, this could redefine american politics. it would help to change our politics in very important ways. and who knows what else may be possible. joining me now is krystal ball and richard wolffe. thank you for being here tonight. >>
debate was about? obama championed tax fairness and won. republicans championed protecting that 2%, ignoring the 47% he talked about, and they lost. today boehner said he's willing to raise revenues by the same amount he agreed to back in august of 2011, the last time they had this fight. again, he's willing to act like the election never happened. no wonder. again, he lost. joining me is joy reid of the grio and howard fineman of the "huffington post." joy, you're chuckling because it is weirdly true. it's almost like groundhog day, this guy, boehner, he's not a bad guy, but he's operating on a bad thought here. the election didn't happen. >> it's incredible. it's amazing watching john boehner reach for anything, simpson/bowles which, by the way, assumed that the tax cuts for the top 2% would be gone, but he forgets about that, and boehner is trying to offer the same exact policies that mitt romney ran and lost on, that the republicans tried to negotiate with the white house. it is incredible. and the only way i can explain this, the only way i can possibly figure it is that mayb
for president obama. americans. they're stunned because they hate obama and only talk to other republicans who also hate obama. get it? they're in this bubble and when the bubble bursts, they start to cry. >>> finally, let me finish with how the nobodies finally won, and this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ ding! ] ...and spend time on the slopes. take alka-seltzer plus cold & cough... [ buzz! ] ...and spend time on the chair. for non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. take dayquil. use nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...and get longer nighttime cough relief. use alka-seltzer plus night cold & flu... [ coughs ] [ buzz! ] [ screams ] ...and you could find yourself... honey? ...on the couch. nyquil d. 50% longer cough and stuffy nose relief. >>> wow, president obama's asking florida congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz to stay on as chair of the democratic national committee. big news for her. she's a frequent guest on this and other tv networks. she's been the head of the party since the spring of 2011. democrats won seats in the house and senate besides the president's re-election victory. t
that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election. that's why obama won. half the republicans say democrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff and that's all these people listen to. they live in this bubble. >> i think they misheard it and they thought a unicorn stole the election. >> i mean a.c.o.r.n. they don't have a nickel to rub against another nickel and they're running the country. thai dana and ron. i think we caught the spirit of this nonsense. up next, one of the most popular guests we've ever had on "hardball" barney frank joins us as we prepared to leaves the country. barney has been around a long time. i thought efforts the new guy. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] shift the balance of power decisively in your favor. the exclusive eight-speed tr
% of our fiscal problem is on the spending side. obama is being very inflexible on that. republicans i'm afraid will get taken to the cleaners just what happened in 1990 when read myips. melissa: would you rather we went over the fiscal cliff? >> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. ifou drill down on the details, as soon as i saw 800 billion in new x revenue, my immediate question did they give on the point of marginal rat d from the language it doesn't look like. more a tax code basically closes loopholes. they employ all the euphemisms to say you will get
obama snookered the republican party. >> stephanie: yeah. >> they agreed to this. >> stephanie: we said that at the time and we still got downgraded because of the republicans, but you are absolutely right. >> caller: yes and grover norquist on sunday on david marshmallow's show, said that obama was going to take us over the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: yes, and it is because of republicans. you know what the funny names for republicans, just leave that to us. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: david marshmallow. yeah. hi, bob. >> caller: good morning. i just wanted to call about the bob costas thing and just say i started shooting when i was ten year's old, and i still believe there is a place for regulation in gun control. >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> caller: and i think the people that shout the loudest don't speak for even the majority of gun owners and i think there is this trained pavlovian dog whistle, and there's no room for discussion. >> stephanie: yeah, and he wasn't even talking about gun-control legislation. how can anybody say that is not true? i
with president obama's latest ideas for getting past the standoff with house republicans. he now says there isn't enough time left to do a comprehensive deal, including tax reform, fixing medicare. so he wants congress to raise tax rates for the wealthy right now and putting off the hard work to next year. they have 28 days left to make a deal before the country hits what's called the fiscal cliff. that's a combination of across the board tax increases for everyone, coupled with cuts in spending like defense, education, health care, and housing assistance. let's go live to our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin with the very latest. jessica? >> reporter: president obama has now personally turned down speaker boehner's opening offer to avert the fiscal cliff. he did it in a tv interview. what does president obama think of speaker boehner's proposal to avert the fiscal cliff? >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about $800 billion worth of revenues but says he's going to do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it doesn't wo
raise tax revenue by not extending the current obama cut in payroll taxes. but the republican plan still refuses to raise the top income tax rates. yesterday, treasury secretary tim geithner made it clear that there can be no deal without higher top tax rates. >> last question, can you promise that we will not go over the cliff? >> no, i can't promise that. that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans that are now opposing increases in tax rates. if they recognize the reality that we can't afford to extend those tax rates, then we have a basis for the agreement and that's going to be the responsible thing to do and my judgment is they are going to do it. >> joining me now, ezra klein, huffington post, ryan grim. ezra, what do you make of the boehner proposal that was kind of cribbed from erskine bowles? >> two things. one, republicans are terrified about by the polls showing that they are going to immediately get blamed if they are not willing to compromise. the reason you initiate the bowles' plan is you say, look, they are going along with the former chief of staff said.
% or 3%, they could have even contested obama's base. and i think that's what the republicans -- they have to recognize the demographics are no longer on their side. i think that's what boehner is trying to do. god bless him for it because it's not going to be easy but that's exactly what they have to do in order to figure out how do they become a political party, not a sunsetting party, but a political party that has force, not just within the walls of d.c. but outside as well. >> i'm reminded 69 words of george carlin who said it's called the american dream because you have to be asleep to believe it. joy, maria teresa, thank you. the guys who gave us the go go '90s call for even greater tax hikes than the president. shouldn't we listen to them? stay with us. >> please, do something frightening between now and the midterm elections because if you do not, the republicans will have to do something truly terrifying like addressing the needs of blacks, women, and hispanics. um... uh... um... hm... umm... uh... oh ! the windows phone 8x by htc on verizon. it features easy to navi
hand, particularly since the republicans outraised obama 5-1 on wall street which is a real reverse since 2008. the markets are so upset with the minimal oversight that the administration has put on them that they've swung to the g.o.p. camp this time, and they're not going to buckle on that. >> eliot: brian, let me come back to a political-type question. defense cuts, another area where the democrats are saying we have the opportunity sequestration imposes more significant cuts in the military. many think that's a good thing to do. barney frank every chance you give him he'll talk loudly why it's the correct thing to do. is there a chance that the republicans will give him that one? >> it depends on what happens between now and the first of the year. if you go over the cliff and all the tax cuts expire and sequestration takes affect, that gives the president the ability to reorganize the defense budget in a way that tracks what he wants to do with the military spending, which is to slow the growth or even to freeze the growth in real terms. if they cut a deal beforehand and then pu
with president obama. they are both republicans and democrats. they all want to know how he's going to handle the fiscal cliff crisis. they will also meet with john boehner. boehner counter proposal yesterday. $600 billion in cuts in entitlement and $250 billion in changes in way the government changes inflation that would impact social security. let me bring in the national journal from the editor. good morning. i want to talk to you about this republican proposal saying republicans in congress want to get serious about asking the wealthiest to pay slightly higher tax rates. we won't be able to achieve a significant balanced approach to the deficit. it does have some revenue in it, even though it's not from tax increases. so what does this opening offer say about where we are in these negotiations? >> well, it seems very difficult to imagine that we're going to be getting to a deal that will handle everything that needs to be addressed before the end of the year. i think the first main thing that needs to be addressed is the question of the tax cuts expiring. and for the obama administration
in self defense. >>> republicans took the bait. they delivered a counter proposal to president obama's plan to avert the fiscal cliff. guess what, the white house rejected it, calling the gop proposal unbalanced and not serious. translation? no tax hikes on the wealthy so democrats said forget about it. we thought you should take a look. it totals $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. the part that stood out to us was $600 billion in proposed savings in medicare reforms. how? in part by raising the age of eligibility to 65 to maybe 67. turning down the gop proposal, dan pfieffer said, quote, it provides no details on which deductions they would eliminate, which loopholes they will close or which medicare savings they would achieve." let's head now to the white house and dan lothian. the white house will not offer a counter proposal, right? what's going on here? >> reporter: well, you know, i think the white house is digging in. the president said early on in this process that he would only sit down and really move forward, negotiate on this in any meaningful way if the t
possibly look like. that was a movement more towards the center. as president obama said it's unacceptable. when i was walking over here i spoke to a senior republican senator and he pretty much said look, we accept that eventually these rates on the 250 or above are going to have to go up. we should try to bank something. whether that be something to bring back to our conference saying we lost the 250 or above but we got the medicare age raised. we were able to get significant entitlement reform. that is most likely what some deal is going to look like. there is a belief amongst house republicans andrea, that president obama is playing smart politics on this. he's taking this cliff all the way to the edge, the possibility that he's okay with the country going over it, with the idea that he can fracture republicans on the tax issue. remember, republicans have been ability lowering taxes ever since h.w. bush said the read my lips pledge. what they've run on. if he can fracture them and hurt them politically going into 2014 they believe that's what he's doing and why he's trying to draw this
it yesterday. so republicans have been accusing president obama of not having any specifics and then jay carney and those pointed out hey, wait a minute, we've had this plan for over a year. come on. we got all of the specifics. here's where we would cut. here's what loopholes we would close. so republicans had to come up with something. and yesterday, it came up with a plan, last week, michael, they were all saying we can't wait to throw grover norquist under the bus. yesterday, looks to me like grover norquist is still in charge. >> sure. >> bill: one thing that in their plan, they don't identify loopholes they would close. they don't identify spending cuts for the most part they would make and they say no, we're going to keep the tax breaks for the top 2%. what's changed? what's different? >> nothing's changed. their fundamental problem is this, as you know. the thing that's most important to them, emotionally and in policy terms i guess but just in their gut, the thing that's most important to them is
romney and really over the republicans in general is mitt -- president obama has a much much better understanding of the strategy we have in afghanistan, the strategy that we have in iraq he has a much better understanding of that strategy than mitt romney. i'll be honest with you stephanie. i did the same type of mission that allen west did. i have done that mission. >> stephanie: right >> caller: and i have had a lot of training in counter insurgency, and the way president obama has understood that concept is much better -- is much more in line -- >> stephanie: mitt romney i think just ended up trying to run against anything obama was for he was just against or it was bad. and i think you are right. it's hard to fault the president on foreign policy. we did what he ran on. >> caller: right. and the thing with iraq -- the strategy we had in iraq was basically -- people got mad because he didn't leave immediately and people got mad because he didn't stay there long enough. the strategy followed the doctrine of counter insurgency which is you stabilize the
that the republicans' offer was immediately dismissed by the white house. president obama, his team of communications advisers saying it's more of the same and won't work. the speaker was not offering to raise taxes on those making 250 or above. that's a big sticking point. if you look at both plans and split the difference and run the math, if you take the 800 billion in revenue that speaker boehner has offered, the 1.6 trillion the white house wants, you split the difference 1.2. if you split the difference on the cuts, you get to 450, 500 billion. numbers that folks on both sides think is feasible in the realm of a large deal. i spoke to a senior republican senator earlier today, and he said, look. we understand that at some point we have to move away from the tax issue and run that out to provide cover with the base. if we could get something back from the president, whether it be something in the lines of a cost of living adjustment for social security, meaningful entitlement cuts and a promise of tax reform in the 2013 year, something tangible to bring back to the house republican conference th
as well. so the obama administration is so far out there, that what the republicans are doing is pointing out how reasonable they are, taking bowles' idea, i see he's playing democrat partisan today -- >> part of that is actually putting revenue on the table which speaker boehner has said multiple times he's open to doing, that includes closing loopholes and ending deductions. not words that are political kryptoni kryptonite. for the republican party that has stoked the eyre on the ends of the spectrum including erick erickson they said this the gop selling out. do you agree with that or not? >> not at this point. we were in this point two years ago when the same things were discussed with obama during the debt ceiling increase and at the end of the day, we ended up with $2.5 trillion in spending savings and not a dollar of tax increase. why? because obama overplayed his hand. he's doing it again. just as he did in 2008. he thought the country had given him a blank sheet of paper to work on. he did the stimulus spending. he went from 70% support down to below 50% and lost the house. now h
the republicans are offering. if you look at spending, the republicans run about twice what obama is offering. they got to figure out how to come together on this. they're arguing over rates or deductions, which makes no sense. i mean, it's like you want to go on a trip. we decide we're going on a trip together. we're going to argue about whether we're taking a bus or a train. just figure out how much money you want from revenue, figure out who you're going to get it from, figure out how you're going to protect people, then figure out the formulas. >> and the white house wants the money to come from a specific place. he doesn't necessarily want $1.6 trillion clean. he wants it to come from higher tax rates. >> and i think it's fine say where you want to get the $1.6 trillion or $800 billion from. you ought to just call -- i want to get it from people who make more than $250,000 as opposed to trying to lock people into a formula. what you really need is money. >> you put it so simply, as if it's easy. i guess it is. i don't know why they're having such a difficult time with that. let me get yo
republicans sent president obama a new offer to avoid the fiscal cliff, a counter offer to president obama's plan, proposing raising $800 billion from tax reform, not higher tax rates. but the white house immediately slammed the offer and said it won't even consider it. tonight, speaker boehner's response to the white house response, saying it's up to the president to come up with a plan. allen west is here. good evening. >> good evening. >> your thoughts, apparently the white house is unimpressed with the proposal by the speakert and white house republicans? >> i think the white house needs to do case studies, calvin coolidge and president john f. kennedy, when you look at what they did with lowering tax rates and increase revenues. calvin coolidge went from 73% to 24%. john f. kennedy from 91% to 71%. they increased revenues. we are not talking about what the president is looking at with his wealth redistribution, we are talking about wealth expansion, economic growth and sound policies to do that. if you want to continue to believe that $250,000 makes someone rich, you are going to crus
obama said there would be no deal to avert an economic plunge unless republicans agree to increase taxes on the wealthiest americans. and nato agreed to deploy patriot missiles in turkey to defend against syrian shells and rockets that cross the border. online, historian michael beschloss offers a snapshot of an ailing lyndon johnson, days before the former president's death. hari sreenivasan has the story. >> sreenivasan: 40 years ago this month, the man who would be remembered as an architect of the vietnam war agonized over his legacy. we have a glimpse into l.b.j.'s final months with a recording of a phone conversation he had with then-president richard nixon. you can listen to it on the rundown. and on the business desk, we answer the most frequently asked question from our "ask the headhunter" series: how do you get noticed by your dream employer? all that and more is on our web site, newshour.pbs.org. gwen? >> ifill: and that's the newshour for tonight. on wednesday, we'll examine how rising carbon dioxide levels are affecting florida's coral reefs. i'm gwen ifill. >> woodruff: an
to really happen that way, because president obama, his goal is to vilify the republican party, i talk about it in my book, divider and chief constantly portraying them as hostage takers the eve enemy. even if we abandon all of our principles and go along with the mainstream media and what they want it will not be enough and obama will continue to vilify them. the republicans need to focus on grass root strategy, identifying hispanics and members of other demographic groups that could be swing voters. identify them and thet their targeted message out there too them so we can have a genuine debate on the issues, instead of villa my those who disagree with the president. let's have a discussion as simon said the economic benefits, how we can do this in a way that will benefit all americans, instead of just saying, oh, heck, we lost the election we'll just abandon all of our principles. jon: simon i like what you had to say and i think the whole country is looking for bay bipartisan solutions to some of these thorny questions that are out there. from a republican standpoint, and knowing you're
obama. the different in dollars. the president wants $800 billion more in tax increases. the republicans want approximately more a trillion dollars more spending cuts. that's the difference between the two sides just in dollar terms. there is a difference between the two sides in terms of principle. the principle centers on higher tax rates, yes or no. speaker boehner many latest offer is raise $800 billion mostly from the wealthy by limiting deductions. the president says, no, don't want that. we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple wa
, second amendment instead of blaming the sick people who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me walk you through the specifics or at least what specifics we have so far from this boehner counter offer and you can see where it falls short from the white house's perspective right in the top line take a look at the details here. boehner and the other house republicans are asking for $800 billion in new tax reform revenue. that's short of the $1.6 trillion that the president would like to see there. also health savings of $600 billion. mandatory savings of $300 billion. revisions of cpa of 200 billion. other discretionary saving 300 billion. they say net savings is $2.2 trillion all told. the white house says this plan is not balanced, and interestingly there's a little side skirmish here between the speaker of the house john boehner and erskine bowls. boehner said this was based on a report that bowles laid out. bawls said no. he
leaked to the reuters news agency that on president obama's short list for defense secretary is the republican, former republican senator, chuck hagel. it is interesting that, today, the white house is doing some leaking to news agencies. reuters cited an administration official, that is all we know, but chuck hagel is on the short list. and the white house says reuters and us plans to announce the new defense secretary and secretary of state, some time over the next two weeks. >> too little, too late; president obama's response to the g.o.p. plan to avoid the cliffally. in an interview with blomberg tv the president said there is not enough time to pull off the republican's proposal that overhauls the tax system and entitlements at tate days from going over the fiscal cliff which is called the series of spending cuts and expiring tax breaks which would be an economic disaster. the sticking point is the call for higher taxes for families, higher taxes on amounts earned above $250,000. everyone gets the tax cut, the first $250,000 is not taxable only but that. the president sa
this is bad, but a top obama aide told chuck todd if these republicans were in power when abraham lincoln was there, there would still be slavery. does that help the process move along or does it hurt? >> reading it between the lines. i think that's a bad omen. we still have four weeks, though. >> yeah, absolutely. we have i believe 27 negotiating days. >> there is a rule in it life -- >> what is that rule? >> i think slavery analogies and hitler jokes never work out well. >> you don't do that. >> it never ends well. >> if you're a reporter, you do not need to sort of badge aer people at the white house or on the hill for negative stuff about the other side. they are reaching out to affirmatively blast -- >> who is they? >> people are looking for opportunities to blast the other side. >> the white house offer, the first offer, was in bad faith. it was pathetic. >> first offer? >> the counteroffer was in bad faith and pathetic. >> they released it to the press, i believe, before to the white house which i think is just -- >> it doesn't matter. these are two really pathetic offers. >> this
coming up in the show. >>> tonight, what a mess. just hours ago house republicans sent president obama a new offer to avoid the fiscal cliff. it is a counter offer to president obama's plan. g.o.p. lawmakers proposed raising $800 billion in revenue from tax reform, not higher tax rates, but the white house immediately slammed the offer and said it won't even consider it, and tonight speaker boehner responds to the white house response saying it's now up to the president to come up with a plan. congressman allen west joins us. good evening. >> how are you doing? >> greta: very well. the white house is unimpressed by the proposal from the speaker and the white house republicans. >> the white house needs to go back and do case studies whe. you look at presidents cool imagidgeand kennedy, they went % down to 24%. kennedy went from 91% down to 71% and they increased revenue. what we're talking about is not what the president of the united states is looking at with wealth redistribution. we're talking about wealth expansion and economic growth and sound economic policies to do that. if you w
. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. republicans are doing a lot of maneuvering on the fiscal cliff. president obama and the democrats have put forward a plan relying mostly on raising more revenue from the wealthiest 2% of the country. republicans rely mostly on draconian cuts affecting the middle class and the poor and republicans aren't specific about how they get $800 billion in revenue. for the conversation, let's turn to richard wolffe, msnbc political analyst and vice president and executive director of msnbc.com. and molly ball, political reporter for "the atlantic." the republican proposal includes ryan's voucher program for medicare. we're not even a month away from the election and they are throwing up on the wall everything that was rejected. why are they doing this? >> well, i can tell you why they think they have a mandate. they are throwing insults at each other and that means they are engaging. they may be way apart in terms of the lessons learned. think -- they clearly don't seem to have learned very many from this election. but house republicans
of republican and democratic governors submerging from the west wing after the meeting with president obama with the message to fix the fiscal cliff. the democrats and republicans refuse to either endorse or dismiss either of the plans out there. the one floated by the white house and the one that house republicans floated yesterday. that, of course, the latest plan in washington, $800 billion in tax revenue increases, a trillion cuts in spending, including entitlements. it's a plan that was partially taken from the former chief of staff for president bill clinton, one that the republicans put out yesterday, and it's one that democrats roundly rejected. >> republicans' plan, on the other hand, is more of the same. not only does it balance the budget on the backs of the middle class, but voids the promise to seniors with cuts to social security and medicare all to pay for handouts to the rich. at least we know where they stand. >> republicans are willing to make sure we don't go over the cliff, but, at the same time, don't harm the economy. what has to happen, the president needs to show lea
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felt it was imperative to focus in on things that unite us republican and democrat alike and that's what we focused in on. >> listening to governor scott walker wrapping up the group of six, the bipartisan governors who just got out of a meeting with president obama, and the issues on the table as far as the response from the speaker john boehner. it's interesting to here this group saying that they don't support one plan over another but were firm in the fact that they believe the middle class tax breaks should go through and that's something that both sides can agree ongoing forward. joining me from washington, d.c., reed wilson, editor-in-chief of the national hotline. it's good to have you here. you were listening to this. how important is it to make sure that the governors around the country and particularly this six, why they were chosen, making sure that the governors are on board with any plan going forward as we try to negotiate the back and forth negotiationses between the right and the white house? >> well, it's because the governors feel this budget shortfall. they are
, the republicans are trying to criticize the obama proposals by saying you're not cutting spending, you're not coming to us on entitlements, but it's falling flat. no one's really listening and the white house has controlled the debate that it's all about the upper 2%. the first thing in texas you do is shrink the size of government, wouldn't you? >> well, we did that. we faced a substantial budget shortfall. we have a constitutional amendment that requires us to have a balanced budget, which frankly america needs that. >> i don't know what would happen. >> most states have that. >> the states that are -- i would suggest to you the states that are doing better economically have a constitutional amendment that requires them to balance their budget. so, we had to deal with that in the early 2000s. and interestingly, it was the first time since the 19th century, since back about 1870, that there were all republicans, republican speaker, republican house, republican lieutenant governor, republican senate and myself, and we had run on the premise that we were going to treat government differ
to muddle through this. the democrats have a proposal on the table. the republicans say it is not serious. republicans have a proposal on the table. democrats say it is not serious. now a new line in the sand from president obama, this from an interview with bloomberg tv a short while ago saying we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. the president hadn't gone there before. perhaps there was perhaps a wiggle room following thought. still there is no line in the sand how much rates have to go up. the white house position is that they must go back to clinton rates for top earners. that is nearly 40% on amounts of more than $250,000 a year. republicans have put $800 billion of unspecified tax revenue on the table but they're saying no to a tax rate increase. democrats have said no to that proposal.% in response to that a spokesman for house speaker john boehner saying despite republicans offer to put real revenue on the table the president has offered no concessions whatsoever. when will this willingness to compromise
back then. >> people voting the way obama did. >> what happened in 2011, republicans in congress demanded and said they would let america default if they did not get the items on their agenda. that was consequential and unprecedented and the result was bad for everyone. >> two weeks ago, the committee for responsible federal budget, which includes democrats and republicans, including tyson and others, they put out a paper on raising revenue on high earners. they say that there is a middle ground in which democrats will raise higher revenues. you just don't agree with their numbers? >> independent economists have assessed that. when you talk about wiping out the charitable deduction or the mortgage deduction in a way that taxes and middle-class americans that violates the fundamental preliminary that the president has -- in order to preserve low tax rates for wealthy americans, to ask the middle class to pay the price is not going to happen. it's not just the policy. >> only taxes on those families making $250,000. >> every proposal that has been seen and analyzed imagine you can
, but as secretary geithner said over the weekend, as, i think, president obama conveyed in the interview today with bloomberg tv, he remains confident we can get this done. he remains optimistic that once republicans accept that there is no deal without an acknowledgement and acceptance that rates have to go up on higher end earners that, well, we can find a compromise here that resolves the fiscal cliff and takes a very important step towards the kind of broad balanced deficit reduction package that do enormous good to the economy. the kind of package i should not leave out with targeting investments so the economy continues to grow and create jobs. as i said on occasions, deficit reduction in and of itself is not a goal, but part of the plan that is focused on economic growth and job creation. president's very focused on that. jay? >> just a second ago, you referred to how the debt ceiling, taking it off the table, needs to be part of the deal. you referred to the economy, you called held hostage by the ideological team. you were aware of this, senator obama was against -- >> we addressed th
to speed this morning. president obama rejecting a fiscal cliff counter offer from republicans. the gop proposal calls for $2.2 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade, including 800 billion from tax reform. 600 billion from medicare reform, 600 billion in spending cuts. the white house is refusing to consider it because it doesn't include tax hikes for the wealthiest americans. >>> and britain is rife with speculation this morning, is kate having a boy, or a girl? is she having twins? triplets? what about a name? britain is buzzing with news that prince william's wife, katherine, is pregnant. she is in a london hospital being treated for severe morning sickness. >>> students at one elementary school in atlanta will attend class in a different building this morning. dozens were sickened yesterday at their regular school by carbon monoxide poisoning. at least 49 were sent to the hospital. fire officials believe the heating system failed. later this morning we will talk to a student, a parent and a school official. >>> the judge overseeing the court marshall of nadal hassan has b
discuss a little -- the latest with the fiscal cliff negotiations. republicans and joined obama to extend the bush era tax rates. first time university law professor looked at the history of the alternative minimum task -- tax. cluster e-mails, phone calls and tweets. tuesday at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. more about the tax loopholes and deductions that could be involved in negotiations over the fiscal cliff. from our special washington journal series, this is 50 mins. >> we turn our attention today to deductions and tax -- tax loopholes. joining us to talk about this is john mckennan, thank you for being here. what are loopholes and deductions? we hear those words a lot. guest: loopholes or tax breaks of all different sorts. whether you like a particular loophole or not depends on where you sit. there are lots of loopholes that are deductions. deductions are the ones most people are familiar with. the big itemize deductions are things like a home mortgage interest deduction. there is one for state and local taxes that is very important. the deduction for charitable contributions. then
christmas. worry about next year if this strike goes on. as i told you yesterday, the republican counterproposal for heading off the fiscal cliff was a nonstarter. president obama made clear today that it will not be possible to get a deal to avert the fiscal cliff without raising taxes on the wealthy. the gop's plan did promise $2.2 trillion in deficit savings over the next decade. that's about half of what the president promises in his plan. but the gop plan does it without any tax hikes on the rich. and that is not going to fly with democrats. republicans for their part are unhappy that the president's proposal calls for $200 billion more in stimulus spending over the next year. here is how that breaks down. $95 billion to extend the payroll tax cut for one year, $30 billion to extend jobless benefit for one year, $50 billion to spend on roads and bridges and another $25 billion on short-term stuff like a temporary tax deduction for small businesses. the argument in favor of the president's plan is this could help people still hurting from years of economic trouble, but you kn
to the house of representatives. did speaker boehner and the republicans in the house promptly pass this popular bill and send it to president obama for his signature? did they move to protect 98% of middle-class families from this tax hike in january? no. no. they decided to hold the middle-class tax cuts passed by the senate hostage in an attempt to push for tax cuts for the folks they care the most about, the top 2% of highest earning households. republicans fighting for millionaires and billionaires is not a new story. in 2001, president george w. bush decided to spend a large portion of the surpluses he inherited from president clinton to cut tax rates. many democrats opposed him then because the tax cuts were unfair, favoring the highest-income americans. to overcome that obstacle, the republicans resorted to a parliamentary technique, budget reconciliation, a maneuver that allowed for passage of their tax cuts but forced them to expire after 2010, at the end of the ten-year budget window. so we scroll forward to 2010. as 2010 ended, president obama and many democrats in congr
counties to report votes on election night, too, 19,712 for obama. 19,349 for romney. >> so it overperformed -- or underperformed for the president? >> but uncanny accuracy in prediction. >> one thing i took away from the swing states versus the nonswing states which i think is something republicans ought to be aware, where the democrats can implement their get out the vote, this is, i believe -- even in losing elections they have overperformed in the swing states. bush in 2000 and 2004. >> this is proof that obama ran a better campaign in the states where the campaigns really mattered. but what's remarkable to me is that obama was able to get out his vote in such a concentration of places. democrats are really clustered at the presidential level. they can win some of the swing states by winning a very small -- >> 22% of counties total. >> the map is redder today. so if you look at that divide, we may be moving to a new normal where democrats and particularly nonwhite voters are sufficient in swing states, allow democrats to win statewide. >> and they're the presidential par
is $1 trillion. soledad, that's the problem. republicans have put forward budgets, voted for them, willing to be held accountable. democrats have not. president obama has not. >> you won't vote for them. >> nor have any democrats. >> democrats have voted for those budgets and supported those budgets. >> zero to 610 is the vote total of the last three votes on his last three budgets, 0-610. do you think that's a serious proposal? president obama, show us your plan. >> he can't show you a plan he gave you a plan. his plan is not to repeal obamacare. not going to happen. you lost the election, buddy. >> we are out of time. we need to take bob shrum's coffee away, bring everybody back down. we appreciate your time, senator. i love you hashing the numbers with him. he always comes ready to lay it out. >> political reality, it is a very different world than he is laying out. republicans won't consider raising the top rates, it is not your choice anymore. they are going up unless you make a deal that the president accepts. >>> believe it or not, there are some other stories in the world
you. >> sticking with the cliff, governors are set to meet with president obama and congressional leaders. the meeting coming one day after the white house rejected a republican plan for averting the cliff. chi chief washington correspondent john harwood is outside of the white house this morning. how do business leaders change the equation? >> reporter: the president is trying to orchestrate a consensus behind his approach to deficit reduction. this is a group part of the national governors association executive committee. a diverse group. he carried three states he represents and governors include scott walker, leader of conservative government reform movement going after public employee pensions and shrink government obligations that way. governors are pragmatic. the president is trying to make the case if you look at polls and revenue needs of the government and ageing of our population, the pragmatic thing to do is trim entitlements. the significance of speaker boehner's offer yesterday he put specifics on entitlements on the table. they are significant raising the medicare e
. but as secretary geithner aid over the weekend, i think president obama conveyed in his interview earlier today with bloomberg tv, he remains confident we can get this done. he remains optimistic that once republicans accept that there is no deal without an acknowledgment and acceptance that rates have to go up on he remains optimistic that once high end earners, we can find compromise here. that any to preview for resolve and takes a very important step toward thed
of house republicans as well. i will give you a chance to weigh in on what the center for american progress has put forward, but how would you bridge the divide between where boehner and obama is, on the specific issue of revenue and overhauling the tax code? >> taken. my job is to tell my clients what is going to happen, not what i would like to happen. i would like to take a close look at what is being proposed. with regard to taxes and deductions, what i am struck by is how rapidly the debate is moving away from bull's best said. polls-simpson said brown the base, lower the rates. we now have the president's proposing raising the rates and opposing a base-broadening measure. republicans want to keep the rate same and run the base, but that is different. bowles-simpson had it right. i look at the logic of the white house with regard to the idea of capping a itemized deductions. i would like to take a look at it from a cost-benefit point of view. we're looking at tax expenditures, and we should benefits inst of doing it. they're against it for two reasons, the first one was effected some t
. >> jennifer: he's totally right by that, by the way. president obama reiterated that he's on board with entitlement reform and cuts but the republicans have to budge on tax rates for the wealthy. harry reid had this for the republicans. >> i sympathize sympathize with john boehner. the tea party has a firm grip on the republican party. we are not going to twist ourselves into contortions to please a vocal minority of the tea party. >> jennifer: that's fascinating a new approach for harry reid feeling sorry for john boehner. i'm not sure how john boehner feels about that. with me is karl frisch in washington and donny welcome back inside "the war room"." >> it's a party. >> jennifer: yeah, all good stuff. karl i'll start with you. how should democrats be handling this tea party revolt? should they do more to assist speaker boehner? >> we should be throwing gas on the fire. this is an emporer with no clothes. when we were pushed to fiscal cliff it was because john boehner promised something to the president and could not get members of his caucus do the right thing for the american p
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